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0000542T99X171.00 SKB EagleHWpublic2019-05-30 11:10
Reporter(ALTech) SY Yoon Assigned To(HW) Sean Chiang Due Date2019-03-15 14:25
PriorityhighSeveritys2-severeReproducibilityhave not tried
Status closedResolutionfixed 
Summary0000542: Bright ness of LED
DescriptionSKB reviewed Color of LED with Foxconn's old Mockup.
They think it is too bright then they expected.
Some customers can complain about its brightness.
They said that it can be bothered to sleep or watching movie in the dark.
SKB asked us to reduce brightness at least 50%.
I think it can be achieve by changing HW or LED lens transparency of mechanical structure.
And SKB wants to see the final result of it.
Please let us know how we can show it to SKB.
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User List (ALTech) BY Lee , (ALTech) Juyoung Park , (ALTech) Philip , (ALTech) SB Park , (ALTech) SH Son , (ALTech) SY Yoon , (HW) Jim Liang , (HW) Sean Chiang , (PM) Sheila Tu , (RD) Fu-chiang Young

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(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-03-11 20:22

developer   ~0001442

Hi Jim,
Please check the resistor of LED and fine tune to see if you can reduce the brightness of LED.

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-03-13 13:48

developer   ~0001492

Hi SB and Philip,
Upload light pipe change note for your reference.
Please let ue know which value of resistor which will be accepted by SKB in EVT mockup sample

    Please refer LED resister.
    For 5mA
    Red : R1309 change about 630 ohm
    Green : R1306 change about 420 ohm
    Blue : R1303 change about 450 ohm
 
     For 3mA
    Red : R1309 change about 1066 ohm
    Green : R1306 change about 733 ohm
    Blue : R1303 change about 766 ohm

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-03-18 10:15

developer   ~0001572

Hi SB, did you get the confirmation with SKB about the brightness?
We need your final feedback because we're proceeding with the DVT layout.
Please feedback within today or I'm afraid that we will delay our schedule.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-03-18 16:52

developer   ~0001585

SKB will check at 3/19 afternoon. I'll feedback tomorrow

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-03-20 08:22

developer   ~0001621

Hi SB, do you have any feedbacks from SKB?

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-03-25 13:43

developer   ~0001686

Hi SB, do you have any feedbacks from SKB?

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-03-25 14:47

developer   ~0001690

Hi Sheila. not yet. I already said to them today. but they say wait.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-03-26 22:24

developer   ~0001718

Hi, Sean.
SKB's feedback is that 3ma (IF Current) is also bright. they request to tune 1mA (IF current) check again. is it possible tune 1ma?

(HW) Jim Liang

2019-03-27 17:13

developer   ~0001752

Hi SB
    For 2mA
    Red : R1309 change about 1.6K ohm
    Green : R1306 change about 1.1K ohm
    Blue : R1303 change about 1.1K ohm
 
     For 1mA
    Red : R1309 change about 3K ohm
    Green : R1306 change about 2K ohm
    Blue : R1303 change about 2K ohm

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-01 16:55

developer   ~0001798

Hi Sean
Last week I reworked to change resister, gave SKB to samples for confirm brightness. SKB will answer to us

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-01 16:58

developer   ~0001799

Hi Sean
Today's morning, You showed me to the other STB's LED diplay.
Please update this pictures about more dipuser case and less dipuser case.
If you give this pictures, I can communicate to SKB easily

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-04-01 20:27

developer   ~0001802

Hi SB,
Please find attached for the lighpipe glowing effect of different propotion of diffuser (TiO2)
The supplier needs at least two weeks to do sample preparation. Please let us know SKB's idea and then we can prepare the lightpipe samples in advance.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-01 21:22

developer   ~0001804

Hi Sean. Good job
and Today SKB request to setup LED current 1mA.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-09 22:08

developer   ~0001931

Hi Sean.
1. We discussed to LED brightness at my business trip.
    - first step is check the deffuser (TiO2) pipe line
    - second step is to change LED current. (5ma -> 3ma -> 1ma)
2. Do you have any comment?

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-04-10 00:40

developer   ~0001941

Hi SB,
I agree with your comment.
In addition, is there any comment from SKB about the adding diffuser (TiO2) in lightpipe? Which kind of glowing of light pipe does SKB prefers?

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-29 10:57

developer   ~0002241

Hi Sean
I received the DVT board. and checked LED brightness condition.
1. all LED colors are not uniform. the top of PIP line looks almost turn off.
2. The white LED is not white color. it looks a little purple.
    - You said that DVT LED current setup 5mA. so I also check T1+EVT board
      (EVT board setup 10mA.)
    - the White LED with EVT+T1 also looks a little purple
    - In my opinion, this symptom cannot be solved that all LEDs are tuning at the same capacity. each LED should be tuning individually.
3. Is PIP line final version?

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-04-29 12:28

developer   ~0002244

Hi SB,
1. I remember FXN explained that it's impossible to keep "the pure white" color becuase it's mix color many times.
We also checked whether SKB could pay the customization fee to customize 3 color with the "pure white" before. And the answer that we got is "No, because the vendor needs around 3 months to proceed with this customization".
2. Could you let us know how to produce Eagle from MP if you requires FXN to tune every pcs on the production line?

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-29 13:04

developer   ~0002246

Hi Sheila.
1. I didn't hear that pure white color is impossible. there is no comment at this mantis. and I just communicate with Sean for engineering side.
    If you impossible to make pure white, I see. I never comment any more.
2. I don't know how to procuce Eagle from MP

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-04-29 14:11

developer   ~0002252

Hi SB, because there is only 1.5 months left before MP, could you help to sync about the hardware issues with ALT and SKB?
It will be really helpful to speed up our remaining development process. Thank you.

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-04-30 15:10

developer   ~0002327

Hi SB,
The PIP line is final version but should be able to fine tune such as add diffuser to improve the conduction of light. I will check with ME to see if any way to improve the conductivity of LED light
About LED light color issue, can you confirm the LED original color (no light pipe) is white or a little be purple? We found that if only use lightpipt to put on the PCBA's LED, the color could be wrong if we put the wrong position of lightpipe. Would you pleases double confirm it?

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-30 16:12

developer   ~0002329

Hi Sean.
I have some question
1. If you fine tuning diffuser, you can solve the color uniformity and display pure color?
2. I saw the LED without tool state, It is difficult to judge whether the white led is original or a little be pure.
    when I see the LED in the board with eye directly, the LED Color looks R/G/B Seperately at full white state.
Anyway I'll discuss to SKB at weekly meeting.
and I update some pictures
1. another company's SKB settop box : I think this model display pure white uniformly
2. DVT's LED display without tool : In my opinion, the LED light is not display pure white.
anothercompany_SKB_STB.gif (84,534 bytes)   
anothercompany_SKB_STB.gif (84,534 bytes)   
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(ALTech) SB Park

2019-05-03 17:41

developer   ~0002378

Hi Sean
I show you another SKB's model. this model is similar to Eagle about LED display. see attached file.
this model's LED PIP line longer than Eagle. but the LED light is uniform.
the outside of pipline is narrow, but inside of pipline is wide.
othermodel_pipline1.gif (84,611 bytes)   
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othermodel_pipline_led.gif (249,573 bytes)   
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(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-05-13 20:03

developer   ~0002499

Hi SB,
We co-work with Everlight for LED light color tuning, there are some parameters of resistors need to fine tune.
Please see the table as we tune in our site and see the LED color is good for real white color on EVT board.
Due to the vendor help to tune the old material, not DVT material.
Please change the relative resistors and check the LED color on EVT board.
Thank you.
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(ALTech) SB Park

2019-05-13 21:50

developer   ~0002500

Hi Sean, Fu-chiang
this resister value is not common. I cannot find this value of resister in Korea. so you FII should give me this resister. please give me this resister by your business trip man handcarry.
And In my opinion EVT board tuning doesnot mean anything. because, EVT cannot assemble T1. and EVT's mock up has old pipeline.
please check again with DVT and final tool.

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-05-13 21:54

developer   ~0002501

Hi Philip and SB,
Can you confirm which level of diffuser that SKB like to have in final product?
We will ask our supplier to prepare the sample for testing.
Diffuser level.png (43,663 bytes)   
Diffuser level.png (43,663 bytes)   

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-05-14 01:06

developer   ~0002503

Hi SB,
As per I talked with Philip this afternoon, we have worked with supplier last week and our supplier suggest us to tune the R/G/B current as 9/5/3 (mA) to make sure that the LED color close to pure white. The EVT sample you have on hand that the LED color will be close to blue white.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-05-14 08:39

developer   ~0002511

Hi Sean.
thank you for suggest several diffuser level.
I have a question
1. what is your opinion about diffuser level? I ask you to your advice as a Foxconn HW leader.
2. I cannot confirm or choose to diffuser No. with only picture. for discussing with SKB. I need to real material.

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-05-22 19:37

developer   ~0002575

Hi SB, could you update your comments for LED brightness and light pipe?
We're waiting for your final comment to start the material preparation. Thank you.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-05-23 08:50

developer   ~0002577

Hi Sean.
Mr. Philip handcarried your golden sample of LED setup sample. He showed SKB with this sample.
SKB accepted to LED brightness and uniformity.
1. Light pipe line : white
2. LED Current : 7/7/5mA
3. LED sample : Use EVT LED.
Thank you for your support. good job.

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-05-23 13:25

developer   ~0002584

Hi SB,
Got it.
Thanks for your confirmation.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2019-03-11 13:32 (ALTech) SY Yoon New Issue
2019-03-11 13:32 (ALTech) SY Yoon Status new => assigned
2019-03-11 13:32 (ALTech) SY Yoon Assigned To => (HW) Sean Chiang
2019-03-11 13:33 (ALTech) SY Yoon Issue Monitored: (PM) Sheila Tu
2019-03-11 13:33 (ALTech) SY Yoon Issue Monitored: (ALTech) SB Park
2019-03-11 13:33 (ALTech) SY Yoon Issue Monitored: (ALTech) Philip
2019-03-11 20:22 (HW) Sean Chiang Assigned To (HW) Sean Chiang => (HW) Jim Liang
2019-03-11 20:22 (HW) Sean Chiang Status assigned => acknowledged
2019-03-11 20:22 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0001442
2019-03-13 13:48 (HW) Sean Chiang File Added: Eagle 4K OTT BOX light pipe change.pptx
2019-03-13 13:48 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0001492
2019-03-13 13:48 (HW) Sean Chiang Issue Monitored: (RD) Fu-chiang Young
2019-03-13 13:48 (HW) Sean Chiang Issue Monitored: (HW) Jim Liang
2019-03-18 10:15 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0001572
2019-03-18 16:20 (PM) Sheila Tu Assigned To (HW) Jim Liang => (ALTech) SB Park
2019-03-18 16:52 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001585
2019-03-20 08:22 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0001621
2019-03-25 13:43 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0001686
2019-03-25 14:47 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001690
2019-03-26 22:24 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001718
2019-03-27 17:13 (HW) Jim Liang Note Added: 0001752
2019-04-01 16:55 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001798
2019-04-01 16:58 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001799
2019-04-01 20:27 (HW) Sean Chiang File Added: glowing_effect_updated.pptx
2019-04-01 20:27 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0001802
2019-04-01 21:22 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001804
2019-04-09 22:08 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001931
2019-04-10 00:40 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0001941
2019-04-29 10:57 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002241
2019-04-29 10:57 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) Juyoung Park
2019-04-29 10:57 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) SY Yoon
2019-04-29 10:57 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) BY Lee
2019-04-29 12:22 (PM) Sheila Tu Issue Monitored: (HW) Sean Chiang
2019-04-29 12:28 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0002244
2019-04-29 13:04 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002246
2019-04-29 14:11 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0002252
2019-04-30 15:10 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0002327
2019-04-30 16:12 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: anothercompany_SKB_STB.gif
2019-04-30 16:12 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: DVT_LED_withouttool.gif
2019-04-30 16:12 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002329
2019-05-03 17:41 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: KakaoTalk_20190503_173740176.jpg
2019-05-03 17:41 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: KakaoTalk_20190503_173739752.gif.jpg
2019-05-03 17:41 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: KakaoTalk_20190503_173738843.jpg
2019-05-03 17:41 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: KakaoTalk_20190503_173738425.jpg
2019-05-03 17:41 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: othermodel_pipline1.gif
2019-05-03 17:41 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: othermodel_pipline_led.gif
2019-05-03 17:41 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: othermodel_pipline.gif
2019-05-03 17:41 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002378
2019-05-13 20:03 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: RGB=953_Resistance.png
2019-05-13 20:03 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: RGB=953.png
2019-05-13 20:03 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002499
2019-05-13 21:50 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002500
2019-05-13 21:50 (ALTech) SB Park Assigned To (ALTech) SB Park => (HW) Sean Chiang
2019-05-13 21:54 (HW) Sean Chiang File Added: Diffuser level.png
2019-05-13 21:54 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0002501
2019-05-14 01:06 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0002503
2019-05-14 08:39 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002511
2019-05-22 19:37 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0002575
2019-05-23 08:50 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002577
2019-05-23 13:25 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0002584
2019-05-30 11:10 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) SH Son
2019-05-30 11:10 (ALTech) SB Park Status acknowledged => closed
2019-05-30 11:10 (ALTech) SB Park Resolution open => fixed